Minister of State for Defence Procurement and Industry RUSI Speech

7th March 2025

Minister of State for Defence Procurement and Industry The Rt Hon Maria Eagle MPRUSI/IFRI Speech "Enhancing UK-France Defence Industrial cooperation".

I'm sure I speak for us all in thanking RUSI and IFRI for bringing us together at this pivotal moment for European security. And for all they do to advance Defence in our countries.

As Putin continues to wage his unprovoked and illegal war against Ukraine amidst fierce debate about how best to end the conflict the common refrain coming from both sides of the Channel and both sides of the Atlantic is that Europe needs to step-up and take more responsibility for its own security. As our Prime Minister did again last week, by setting a path that will lift our defence spending from 2.3%, to 2.5% by 2027, and 3% in the next parliament.

Amidst the uncertainty surrounding European security the one thing that is certain and that's a fighting force is only as strong as the industrial base that stands behind it. So transforming European defence industrial capabilities and boosting capacity are going to be integral to this defining mission of our time. And I hope we all leave here today agreeing that as Europe's most powerful military forces with two of its most advanced defence sectors the UK and France must spearhead this mission. Strengthening an alliance that has achieved so much since we struck the Entente Cordiale back in 1904.

A military alliance that's twice been pivotal in securing European freedoms. And an industrial alliance that has connected our electricity grids...

shrunk our skies and tunnelled under the channel. Making it possible to enjoy a late morning croissant in Paris followed almost seamlessly, by mid-afternoon tea in London and more easily done than getting back to my constituency in Liverpool and faster most of the time.

For the last fifteen years the Lancaster House Treaties have been our guiding light as our Armed Forces and our nations have again stood united in support of democracy and against the common threats of terrorism, tyranny, and hybrid warfare both in Europe and further afield. And as we gather today to discuss the next chapter of our Defence industrial partnership I believe that the overwhelming majority of not just British and French people but the vast majority of Europeans are looking to our respective governments to provide leadership by doing more together in recognition that our combined military capabilities are the most significant stabilising force in European security.

And as we step forward to help Europe step-up to the challenge we will be building on solid foundations. Our combined nuclear deterrents underpin Europe’s security. Our Combined Joint Expeditionary Force is on stand-by to respond swiftly to crises giving us a level of interoperability with the French Armed Forces, beyond anything we have with any other European allies. And our Industrial sector is also increasingly integrated.

Through ‘One MBDA’ we’ve help safeguard European missile production capabilities and delivered innovative defensive and offensive systems...

including Meteor and SCALP/Storm Shadow. Together we are co-developing powerful Future Cruise and Anti-Ship Weapons a sovereign capability that boosts our industrial resilience and will deliver the most advanced deep-strike weapons in Europe. And as part of our Maritime Mine Counter-Measures Project with Thales the UK will soon take delivery of our first set of autonomous mine hunting equipment marking an important new phase in that particular programme.

But if we are to re-establish security across the European continent and dissuade Putin from coming back again to invade one of his sovereign neighbours we need to use our Summit in June to broaden our defence industrial collaboration beyond complex weapons. Putting something of an ‘Entente Industrielle’ at the heart to the UK-France Defence partnership that delivers more from our existing programmes that intensifies our cooperation in the most decisive domains and capabilities - including space, AI, and defeating hybrid grey-zone warfare and provides leadership to European Partners, including within NATO.

For both our countries the need to significantly strengthen European deterrence represents a significant economic opportunity.

And it can be a virtuous circle of enhanced capabilities, stronger deterrence, and economic growth that I believe can be mutually beneficial as we expand the range of our cooperation supporting a growing number of Defence jobs in both France and the UK.

Last week marked the end of our public consultation on the UK’s forthcoming Defence Industrial Strategy I am glad to say because I was visiting every corner of the UK speaking to people about it, so I get a little bit of rest from travel. But that strategy will guide our approach to the sector.

It is a strategy that will set out our wish to create new research and industrial ventures with international allies like France in order to broaden our capabilities, enhance standardisation, and boost interoperability whilst supporting our respective strengths across the defence value chain.

We know the EU has a role to play in building a larger, more innovative, and more responsive European defence sector. And we would welcome French support as we seek an ambitious new UK-EU security pact. Continued coordination through NATO is also crucially important,

in setting capability targets and standards, and making our collective defence industrial bases more coherent. We also know, a more resilient and responsive industrial base, requires a fundamentally closer relationship between governments and industry, hence adding that "industry" to the end of my title. I am not just in charge with procurement I am in charge of our relationship with defence industries as well. And we are recruiting a National Armaments Director, who will be held accountable for delivering that, alongside procurement reform.

At the last UK-France Summit, our countries signed up to a closer industrial relationship. We agreed to strengthen supply chains and industrial resilience and facilitate reciprocal market access and exports. I think that recent geopolitical developments, have injected urgency into that work...

and the need to strengthen European and NATO industrial and procurement initiatives is also apparent and that includes: the European Long-Range Strike Approach the DIAMOND integrated air and missile defence initiative and NATO’s Defence Production Action Plan and Multinational Procurement initiatives. Collective procurement will deliver more of the capabilities we need across the continent to deter Putin...

and deliver more bang for our Pounds and Euros.

Whilst UK and French visions for Europe’s security architecture haven’t always aligned during the Entente Cordiale era, UK and French values and interests overwhelmingly have and it is vital for European Security that we talk, and build on that unity.

Our cooperation has long been a powerful force-for-good that has brought our people closer together and helped overcome tyranny and preserve freedoms. And we can do it again.

So I will work closely with my counterpart Delegue Emmanuel Chiva…who I am going to be seeing tomorrow at the High-Level UK-France Working Group to put our defence capabilities and industrial cooperation at the top of the agenda of our Summit in June at the heart of our Lancaster House Treaties refresh and at the centre of our shared mission to bolster European security

Because like our predecessors who built the Entente Cordiale to secure peace in their time we must now build an Entente Industrielle to guarantee European security in ours.

Comment
Perhaps the government needs to take on other ideas as we seem stuck in old style spending when things have changed as outlined by Richard Murphy. Never mind tv programmes about our aircraft carriers that now look dangerously out dated when attacked by drones.
Richard Murphy blog -
UK defence policy is in a total mess
Posted on March 6 2025

I cannot help but think that in he wreckage of international relations that now exists, UK defence policy is in a total mess.

First, there is Trump's order that defence intelligence may no longer be shared with Ukraine. Ignore the bigger dimensions of this for a moment - like the massive risks that this exposes millions of people to, about which he is indifferent. Instead, be narrow-minded and realise that what this means is that much of UK defence intelligence, which is almost wholly integrated with US systems, is rendered unusable as a result.

Then consider our nuclear strategy. This is dependent on US missiles, which we cannot fire without their permission. Ignore for a moment questions about the desirability of nuclear powers. The simple fact is that right now our nuclear deterrent is under the control of a Russian agent and we cannot use it without, in all likelihood, the Kremlin's permission. This part of our defence strategy is rendered utterly meaningless and totally irrelevant as a result. Ending spending on it, straightaway, would make complete sense.

Then there are our two, quite farcical, aircraft carriers. Ignore the fact that these are not watertight. Ignore as well the fact that it seems their engines do not work. Ignore, too, that they could be destroyed in combat in seconds by a concerted drone attack - which the war in Ukraine is showing to be deadly. Instead, just appreciate that they can only fly US made F-35 jets, and the US is, with an isolationist policy, unlikely to make these available to us for much longer. These ships are also a complete white elephant as a result.

In fact, large parts of our whole defence strategy are now meaningless, partly because those we need to defend ourselves against have changed, and now very obviously include the USA, but also because our systems are under the control of those who now threaten us.

My question that follows from this is one that I have not heard asked, which is why are we simply increasing our defence spending whilst letting it continue to be expended on systems that are now so dysfunctional that they may actually prejudice us, when the actual task is to start planning our defence again from scratch, starting with how we wage drone warfare to best effect, and moving on from there?

It's really not hard to work all this out. Why is nothing being done about it?
Source - https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2025/03/06/what-is-our-government-doing-under-the-cover-of-chaos/